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The hospital overlooking the River Thames
The History Of Norwich Insane Asylum
The hospital first opened its doors in 1904 in Norwich, Connecticut. It was built in an idyllic location chosen for its therapeutic properties overlooking the River Thames.
The Norwich Insane Asylum was built isolated from civilization, which worked to its benefit as it began to grow during its early years sprouting new buildings that accompanied the original construction (see aerial view of the hospital here). These new construction projects included patient wards, staff cottages, laboratories and workshops. All of the structures were interconnected by a large network of underground utility tunnels. These tunnels transported electricity, hot water, and patients to various areas on the grounds. The hospital remained self-sufficient, almost like a small town, with its own power plant, pump house, working farm, kitchen, theater and church.
Over 3,000 patients and 1,000 employees were residents on the asylum grounds in the 1950’s.
Slowly patients began to leave Norwich State Hospital due to deinstitutionalization and it permanently closed its doors in 1996. Since then time has basically stood still on the property with a few exceptions. Currently there is talk about converting the grounds into a theme park, but nothing has been set in stone.
The administration building, 2 years after opening.
Exploration...
After a long tedious drive we leave the car in a commuter parking lot close to the buildings. Ever the vigilant group of explorers we notice a State Trooper making his rounds and dive into the forest for cover. Luckily we outsmarted the police yet again and after regrouping walk along the Thames River for a few hundred feet. We finally see the abandoned pump house looming in the distance and decide to make this our entryway into the campus.
This site has a reputation for being well guarded, well patrolled, and does not take kindly to trespassers. I am always on edge when exploring across the Atlantic and the numerous “State Property – No Trespassing” signs that litter the grounds did not bode well for my paranoia. Instead of exposing ourselves above ground to security and prying eyes, we decided to take the underground route through the utility tunnels.
Hospital grounds map
Using the tunnels we explored many buildings without ever being forced to go outside. This method of travel was soon confirmed to be the safest. On our first attempt to venture outside we were only a few feet away from a security officer in a black uniform. Fortunately he didn’t look our way and we quickly receded back into the tunnel network. For a while we hid in the abandoned theater so we could look around the campus without being seen.
This encounter with security dampened our spirits and made our visit a whole lot shorter than we would have liked. We made our grande exit through the empty chapel, this allowed us to avoid walking back through the forest. As we were walking back to the commuter lot to pickup our car we noticed the State Trooper had been watching us as we suspiciously walked down the road. I wonder where we went to and were coming back from?!
Archive document introducing a new therapy (click to enlarge):
Authorization of the family
Tokens!
Special thanks to Dr. Bob for sharing the old postcards.
Wichy says it's lonely tonight...poor wichy
No, but I've been wanting to give it a shot.
Anyone else ever use Gels or anything like that at NSH..Just curious.
Ok just so i know what did this bomb do anyway that he is hated so much by eveyone on this site i have heard alot of talk about this person some bad some good fill me in ok
I received an e-mail from a "lawyer" in regards to NSH.. I removed the names of the "lawyer","myself"..and said "law-firm"..
The law-firm listed didn't exist as far as I can research and the name he had listed came up with several hits including a sex-offender registry and various other misc. Sites..However, The telephone number that was listed is directed back to a security firm..Interesting? Here's an edited version of the E-mail.
Dear Mr. ******** :
I recently viewed your photos of the Norwich State Hospital on (removed),they were amazing. I am a lead investigator regarding the hospital and was hoping that you would be willing to speak with me about your time on the grounds and possibly supply us with specific photos in relation to the Hospital site. Your identity will be taken into account in a discreet manor regarding this issue due to specific legal issues with the photos. I can be contacted via e-mail or the telephone number listed. I look forward to your timely co-operation.
Sincerely,
(removed)
From (removed law firm)
Someone else in the UE community had received a similar (more professional) E-mail recently, Yet it was from a lawyer whom was working a case related to asbestos..being that his client was suffering from the exposure over his time working in the factory in which this UE had explored..
What do you guys think? .. I figured I'd respond with my Hourly rate of $100/hourly and a Print fee for any photo's they'd like to use pertaining to the "investigation" Just to be a nice guy. I have a slight feeling that it is just Murphy/Zimmerman/Pantywaste security hoping for a handout.
I'm sure (hopefully) that the views on your Flickr account are just coincidence..Remington was fun..Lots of homeless people..etc making it not so interesting anymore as it is..This fire obviously did quite a bit of damage though..
I've never looked into the Shakespeare Theater..I had a looksie at it on your Flickr though.
There was a factory building I had explored in Waterbury that had the same safety signs..However the roof had collapsed in on the upper floors..I doubt those safety ratings are very accurate at this point. Exploring is good for shit like that..You see safety signs that are out-dated and make no sense anymore.
As far as Norwich is concerned..It's a real bummer that Borner assumes that people hate the place..TONS of people have shown an interest in the buildings and the history involved in them. He's a fool for thinking that all he had to do was cut the grass and some tree's.. The buildings could have been maintained since day one..We wouldn't be sitting here talking about him like this if that were true. The state does in fact have a handful of non-profit organizations and volunteers whom work with some of these historical sites.. They do really amazing things. I've seen an article about a guy who planted a bed of flowers in front of the abandoned kirkbride buildings in middletown..That's pretty awesome..lol.
yea I saw the fire, the buildings of concern are opposite from Norwich, those factory floors are made of wood, there are machines still in the buildings, floors are weak, have holes, parts have collapsed and stairs are made of wood too and have fallen down. They are removing building 1 and maybe 2
One thing that sticks in my mind are the signs on the 4th floors that read “This Floor will Safely Sustain A Load of 100 Pounds Per Square Feet” and they are from when the factory was in use, and if you think about it if you stand with you feet together, that's your weight in less than a square foot, so when the factory was in use any average person walking on the 4th floor was over loading the safety limit!
I will post the pics link I took Aug 1, I don't know if it means anything but I track my flickr account to see what is being looked at and after a few days of no one really looking at anything Friday the 27th someone looked at 71 photos from Remington and 1 from Shakespeare theater.. I hope it doesn't mean any thing.
A note about Shakespeare theater in Stratford, CT. It is sealed up tight and if you look at the pics I took there is an alarm on all doors and motion detectors, they are active, and they do work, there is also a working fire alarm and working sprinkler system. Police patrol the grounds and park there to do paper work. What I am trying to say is STAY THE F*&K OUT. If you want to go look at the building on the outside and check it out its ok, the wont stop you from dusk to dawn, if your lucky and find one of the town console members who go there and clean up the place inside you maybe privy to a quick tour inside. Yea you heard right, I have met and talked to elected people who actualy care about there town, history and buildings that they roll up there sleeves and hauled out tons of waste from the building and pulled out the old carpets with help of volunteers from the town. Seems different from everything we read from Norwich eh.
remington www.flickr.com
Anyone see the news on the fire at Remington in Bridgeport? ..It was a really bad fire..I saw areial shots and the entire roof was a blaze. Here's a link if you haven't already seen this. Remington Fire It really sucks that people like this can't seem to stay away from abandonments ..Granted it's still terrible..but go in the woods or something. Jerkoffs.
Your posts aren't moderated here. Just an FYI. Forgetme360 definitely didn't have the facts straight about towing your car etc. "felony" trespass doesn't exist and if it did..it wouldn't just be a simple fine. The fine he is talking about it an infraction..Which means it's a misdemeanor. I'm not saying you can't be arrested due to being on site..However it is well known through the State of Ct Penal code..what the repercussions are for said incident.
The fishing the pond comment was probably with good intentions? I'm trying to keep a level playing field here for everyone.. Let's give the guy some slack? IF in fact asbestos or PCB's did travel it's way to the pond it "could" definitely put a dent in the laying and successful hatching of new generations of said Fishies. I would probably be more concerned with the Thames River on that note..Due to rotting oil tanks and busted sewer lines that are directly offshore..but that's just me I guess.
As for being seen in photo's etc. As I said..the internet is full of lies. I once posted a picture of me as Bella from twilight.. Is it true? ..nope. However..Posting video's of entering/leaving a property which is labeled or fenced in can cause a few issues for an individual. Capehart Mill in Norwich is a perfect example..One of the 6 who were brought up on charges was arrested due to a Youtube video in which he is seen hanging out on the property prior to the arson..Not saying this is always enough to incriminate someone..however if something tragic happens on site and your video is reported..all eyes will be on you. I do agree with you Ken, I'd fight it to the end..Especially since I have made it well known to state officials what my intent is on these sites. I've talked with Borner and others and made it well known what our/my purpose is on the grounds.
ALSO- As far as Zimmerman is concerned.. Did you know he likes Arizona green tea's and cheetos? Nuff said.
OK I can't take stupidity, I have been silent because god forbid I post a comment it seems to not make it on this site, and censorship is bs, am I the only one who noticed the post below about fishing in the pond and not eating the fish because of asbestos????? are you kidding me, this is another idiot who has no idea about anything....... you going to tow my car, yea because we are all stupid and park right on site, even if I was stupid enough to park in the commuter parking lot and walk strait in you still cant tow my car from there, its public parking and if you tow my car I am suing your ass for the tow, the impound, and my rental car for the entire trial because I'm not paying to get it out when it was illegally towed to start. Who the f&%$ do you think you are. I can care less who looks at my posts and pics and I've said it 1,000 times the statute of limitations for trespassing ends when you leave the property, I can photoshop president Obama in front of the admin building and I would hope the law would do the same thing to him you claim you can do to me. You can't prove 100% me in a pic on site is real or photoshoped in or even on a set made up to look like I am on site. All I need is reasonable doubt.
ps have fun, I expect an extradision order to pick my ass up
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Byberry was massive..It was also (at one time) an awesome place..
Byberry was made of concrete and had POE's everywhere..There would have been no way for them to secure any kind of perimeter around that site. It's also in another state..Where they quite possibly don't have the resources to pay-out that kind of funds to protect something that is inevitably useless to them..They're version of all of this was more than likely to pay insurance costs etc..and that's that. 24 hour security would have lowered the rates..but still costs more in the long run.
If you realistically look at the difference between the Byberry and Norwich..You'll notice that Byberry (no security) was full of graffiti and smashed shit everywhere..also has death's related to exploring the site. Norwich does not..Graffiti is to a minimum and the buildings and overall site is still in good shape.(my opinion) for the amount of time it has been left abandoned.
Also as far as Authorities viewing our forums..While this is possible. It's not likely. Regardless..Use an alias and don't post stupid youtube video's with your face entering/exiting the site and legally there would be nothing that can be done.
I don't admit I've been to Norwich..Not at all. This is the interwebs..I 99.9% of people are full of shit.. Keep that in mind when thinking that your going to get busted for posting under the name (TheBrain or Faker) ..it wouldn't hold to much ground for any charges to be brought on.. The only standard risk involved with authorities and forums like ours is when people post POE's..Admitting they've entered a site and explaining in detail where/how..But I often jump on them before it goes to far.. Just out of causion and respect. 
..OKay. To correct you.. There is absolutely no "felony" trespass in the state of CT. I'm no lawyer..but I've done my research. Your worst case scenario would be a Class A Misdemeanor Criminal Trespass..
Class A Misdemeanor Criminal Trespass will only be used when the individual is given notice to leave said property and refuses. It is also used if you violate a restraining order etc.
Class B states If you enter and remain in a building. (squatting)
Class C states if you enter or remain on posted or fenced property or state property .
Fact is..As long as your not destroying anything and have no burglary tools (shouldn't be your motive) it's a simple infraction.. Granted..It's not just up to the responding officer when it comes to State Police..They have to radio back to the LT at the barracks in order to issue the "appropriate" charge..However if you review the Penal Code.. It may disprove whatever rumors you have heard about upping charges etc.. It's the LAW ..There's no way they can change it just to suit NSH.. Just can't happen.
As far as the purpose of keeping UE's out.. It has been discussed often here. Insurance costs are outrageous on a site like NSH..The property is massive and is full of "Blighted" buildings. As JPT said..This is true for even home-owners..As the risk for property damage is much higher due to vacancy and lack of maintenance. It makes perfect sense.
Reading the minutes of PRA you'll also notice that they will not start any demolition/abatement until there is a fence constructed around the property..That should be a good sign that we have quite a bit of time before this relic comes down..Borner is too busy arguing over whom he want's to be part of his little club..They have they're own pissing matches and have no time to deal with actual issues regarding the site..
I guess demolition isn't gonna start anytime soon lol
Demo: They're trying to keep 'ghost hunters' out. But, the main reason is because of theft. Some are the materials used to build the facility are valuable. Beside, there is a chance of people getting hurt on the property, which is a huge liabilty (i.e. the asbestos and lead contamination, the buildings collapsing, etc.) If you fish in that pond, do not eat the fish, the absestos containated the ground water and get into the pond and fish. YUCK!! The contamintion in the facility goes 8 miles deep!!
What i don't seem to get is Zimmerman's one driver going around all day. I went up to talk to the guy today, but I didn't even come close to asking what's up when he got out of his truck and threatened me with the $90 trespassing fee. Doesn't make sense why they want the place so protected. Unless there's something to hide inside, then I don't get the heavy reasoning behind this. Byberry was 5 times bigger then this place and got no attention at all by police or security. Of course fires were investigated, but still, in regards to size, Byberry should have had a security force on campus 24 hours a day to stop trespassers. Doesn't make sense. Just sayin
I would like to inform those who have been, and plan to go, to NSH that security has been increased. They are more arrests and they frequently check sites with forums, such as this, to identify potential criminals. If you are caught on the property, there is a $93 felony trespass fee. If you are caught in a building, it's an automatic arrest. If you are arrested, they will tow your car (another fee $50 if towed) and impound it ($85/day fee at the lot, the lot is not open on weekends so the car sits in there and is charged for each of those days).
The mystery of whom would target abandoned buildings in Norwich has been solved. It's not exactly what I had pictured..but to each they're own I guess. While I'm pissed they destroyed the mill..I'm glad they didn't get their hands into Norwich State..That mill was a goldmine for photography..I've seen some amazingly done pictures from that site..Here's the link to the wall of shame for these delusional individuals.. Stupid People.
He's working at Mcdonald's playland..
Does anybody know were he is ?
Seems to me like a rather large pissing match going on.. What's the bid deal anyways?. Borner is so full of himself..It's a state funded agency..It's not like a non-profit and self-funded organization that needs to remain under a budget..What's it going to hurt him to elect someone else into the PRA? .. I think Borner wants everyone to look at him as the Top dog when the project is over and done with..It's ridiculous that they even have meetings anymore.. Grass is cut? ..Security?.. Bullshit waste of time..funded by tax payers. I hear they're coming out with a Hard cover Norwich State Hospital book too.. As much as i'd like to purchase said book..I bet I have better pictures and memories anyways.. No Thanks Mr. Boner. I mean Borner.
eerrr.. Awfully quiet.
Today marks the 5 year anniversary of Jeff Chapman (ninjalicious) passing. For people who don't know of Ninja he is the founder of Infiltration magazine as well as the book "Access all areas"..Ninja was able to connect explorers all over the world. He's an amazing inspiration for explorers of all kinds.
Just figured I would mention him..In remembrance?
If you want to get a feel for the kind of explorer he was.. Here's an interesting/funny radio show
he had done with UER's Av Radio show..U.E
Brewster's Neck didn't have anything to do with patients..I believe it's some sort of history that goes along with the town..I've never looked into it too deeply. There's no other cemeteries on the grounds for the purpose of disposing of the patients at NSH..Patient file's and DC's that I have looked into (about 20+) have all been buried in their hometowns and usually in a family plot..
Otherwise, I assume that the bodies in which are (unaccounted) for and had no family to claim them..were more than likely incinerated.. Other facilities similar to NSH used massive cemeteries with numbers..The purpose of the number was strictly for identification purposes..But it's obvious that no family was involved at the time of the burial.
While near the chapel at Norwich State Hospital, did you happen to notice whether the hospital had a cemetery? Most such facilities did, but we can find no mention of one here. Brewster Neck cemetery is so close as to appear to be on the grounds, and I wonder whether that was used for patients who died while under care... Any insight much appreciated.
Oops, "they I wasn't " I'm a retread...
No, I was agreeing with you on there being some in much better shape, just that they I wasn't gonna name names-so they don't end up like the popular spots. Yeah, there's some amazing places out there!
Zoe- Yes indeed. My email is around.
Stab- I'm not asking you to throw those sites out of your agenda..Just saying that as far as a more pristine and interesting site would be concerned..There are many others in the area that are in better shape..and (haven't) yet been turned into a theme park of sorts.
publish - you're doing a project on mental institutions too .. can you tell me more? maybe i should email you..
Oh, phantom and mustang sally... Familiar?
That's what I get out of it, besides I have a medical condition which prohibits me from seeing the word "no" when directly next to the word "trespassing"...
Nsh is bigger, really, building wise-yes! And the entire site-much bigger! Done...
Tru dat on some lesser known-far more intact institutions around! I'm not outing them, for obvious reasons- sorry...
Zoe- I'm not sure what you mean by trespassing.. There's clearly a sign at Norwich that says "State Property" ..doesn't that mean everyone in the State is welcome to come and explore? .. I hope I'm not mistaken here.
Pennhurst and NSH are similar in the size of the campus.. NSH takes longer due to the massive amounts of rooms etc. The blocked area's also add quite a bit of time on your explore.. Some buildings are blocked up from the tunnel or have a locked door somewhere requiring you to walk completely back around to the other side of the buildings to gain access to the upper floors etc..It can really take a toll on your feet trying to constantly backtrack just to gain access to the other side.
Pennhurst is much more empty and is quite frequently traveled by UE and others..Graffiti,Beer bottles etc litter most of the buildings. It's actually in much worse shape than NSH by far..Every roof to the buildings are rotted and exposed down to the rafters..It's seen better days. Don't get me wrong..I'm not saying I dislike Pennhurst..But there are FAR better hospital's in New England..Within 4-5 hours of CT..depending on where your located. It's the same way people talk about Hudson River State hospital.. It's totally a bunk explore as of now..But people still show an interest in the sites.
Zoe- I was aware of your freelance gig..I just didn't realize you too were working on a project dealing with institutions. For some reason my mind is pretty stuck on the whole theme park aspect of things since reading up on the current attraction that Pennhurst is being made into. Not to gloat..But I think your project would have been much more successful had you visited a few years back..When it was still a pristine explore. I wonder what the numbers CT through your way when you had requested access to the site for your project.. LoL I could tell you in 3 words or less what Borner told me to do with my proposal.. But this is a family forum here I suppose.
People told me it was as big as nsh- it's close, but the wich is definitely bigger man. Time wise nsh takes far longer to explore as well.
but no publish. not a ghost hunt although that is interesting but not the main point. i hear they do that a lot though.
ah publish me, you'll find some old posts from me here from about june time if you look back but in a nutshell im a freelance photo journolist in the Uk. a media group i work for and i are afflliatng on a series of articles and hopefully a book on the history of mental health care in society in the US and UK in the last 100years. Originally my bosses on this project approached CT state about a permitting us to visit the NSH site for an article. they agreed in principal but costs of insurance and the fee turned out to be prohibitive so Pennhurst state school was chosen as an alternative.
im abit too old for trespassing and knowing my luck would probably fall down a ruddy whole on the property and break my neck.
From what i can gather Pennhurst is just as huge as NSH and we only have 2 days on site.
FYI- about Pennhurst. A large section of it has been converted to a Mulch farm..The admin is full of garbage for this Haunting thing.. And most of the site as of right now looks like a construction site.. It's a moderately busy place to be right now. Pretty soon there will be nothing to explore. People just can't leave well enough alone I suppose..
(Information was provided by a UE in the Spring City area)
I assume with the statement your talking about a "legal" Ghost hunt of some sort? .. to each his own.
Zoe..What was this statement regarding?
"we're doing the visit to pennhurst state school in october since they blocked us at NSH. i dont knowe what we paid but it surely wasnt as much as CT were asking"
I'm kind of lost with this statement..
and Pennhurst wasnt an Asylum as they insist on calling it either..
grrrr
sod it.
publish me posted the link anyway.
im honestly amazed this has been authorised. is there any feedback in local press to this.
looks like i'll be walking right into that being there about the same time then. that should be fun. not.
we're doing the visit to pennhurst state school in october since they blocked us at NSH. i dont knowe what we paid but it surely wasnt as much as CT were asking! hugely excited about this project. there's a lot more amount of info in the public domain to reseach from than NSH which is surprising. (Corey Sipe was right on this if not much else)
agree with publish me on the 'institution of fear' thing at ~Pennhurst ... hugely disrespectful , but then people will do anything to earn a few bucks sadly.
Here's the link to the attraction's trailer.. It's supposed to open October of this year.. Don't waste your time/money.. It's going to be lame.. They're all hyping it up to be some sort of TERROR thrill b/s. I think it's just a complete joke..and being that 90% of the tragic happenings there involved children..these people should be slapped in the face. ..Most of the items were brought in from Christopher's hospital.. Here's the link Stupid.
I've seen titicut follies..That's a good flick to show the types of people/treatment that was available at that time. The lobotomist is actually another good one..And it just so happens to be centered in our area (ie. New England..Danvers mostly)
The lobotomist also explains that in the early stages of frontal lobotomies patients often died during the procedure since it was still in it's very "raw" stages.. awesome documentary tho.
Pennhurst actually has a group called (Pennhurst Preservation) which removed a lot of the items from the site and I believe has them on display explaining and respectfully remembering the site's history..it's probably located somewhere in Spring City. The whole "institution of fear" thing is a really stupid idea..It's really disrespectful. Places with the type of history these buildings have don't need to be put through anything like that. That place has seen enough pain and suffering for it's lifetime. Security doesn't really exist at Pennhurst..There's been a TON of reports of SAR popping up during explores..They routinely do mock extraction exercises at Pennhurst..usually with dogs..It's definitely enough to scare the shit out of you.
Oh, and pub yeah, exactly! it's amazing seeing videos from when these places were operating, then actually being there. I really feel for the people that lived and died in them, and have great respect for the people and places. It's hard to even explain, but I'm sure some of you know what I mean, it's much more than some morbid curiosity.
And you guys need to watch titicut follies!
They're just opening the one building up to people, as a "haunted house" and they're gonna demo a lot of it I hear-I think one or two little ones are already gone. They have tightened things up there a bit too, mobility wise, nothing to fancy though
.Didn't see much security-but they were there. I guess Friday and Saturday nights is when you'll run into more intense security, and lots of people! I just think it's very weak that they're using the suffering of so many as a form of cheap entertainment. If they were just going to let people in as-is without the bullshit stories they'll make up, and just tell the actual history, I think that would be better than this. They are picking things to set up for the attraction, we talked to someone closely involved in all of this... There are lights strung up and on in some of the tunnels for workers to move around in. It was really strange to see lights on down there!
Nsh shirt is awesome! I have some exterior shots I wanna get screened onto shirts... Yeah, the locals there know what's up, and why you're in town! Hahaha!
Also, I think it's cool that Pennhurst is opening its doors for people to go in and check it out, but I have three problems with this 1. they might have moved thing for the sake of opening up the asylum. 2. Just knowing that many people have been in, and seen the place in it's current state before and after you kind of draws away from it. 3. You are allowed to go in, no security, you barely have to do anything to get in and that takes away from some of the fear, and takes away a helluvah lot of fun.
No way! You guys are talking about Pennhurst school in PA. I remember when I was camping up there not too long ago with some friends we were eating breakfast at a diner and I was wearing my homemade Norwich State Hospital shirt, and the waiter came over and said "Oh cool Im guessing you are interested in abandoned hospitals and whatnot", so I responded with a Hell Yeah and he proceeded to tell us about this amazing campus called Pennhurst, and that he was there with some friends. We figured we go check the place out not expecting much, but once we got in (a little difficult for some I might add) it was amazing. I wanted to stay but we were forced to leave because my friend sprained his ankle on the way. Not as amazing as Norwich but cool nonetheless. I dont know if this was interesting but I figured I'd share.
Yeah, I was there recently-that place is great! Not quite as big as Norwich, but pretty huge! Wish they didn't clear all of those trees. Yup some of those floors are fun! They've moved a bunch of stuff out of the other buildings, for the haunted house. I think that whole plan is pretty disrespectful. Pretty much all of the really good institutions are on their way out...
JPT-my email is phucpace@gmail.com Anytime man...
Pennhurst is awesome..The floors are rather dangerous there tho..
It's actually in kind of the same situation as NSH..awaiting it's fate.. I do know that the current owners of the property are
converting the administration building into "The institute of fear" A haunted attraction of some sort. I don't know to many details on it..But have read about it in multiple places. SAR also does a lot of exercises with that site..Almost on a constant basis. Those videos could put chills through you..To see patients laying on the same floors we walk is something amazing.
I've thought about it before..as I walked NSH..about what could have gone on in each room..All the situations Good/Bad/Depressing etc..It's truly something to get you motivated.
Ahh..Understood..However I'm not truly put-off by new member..I would almost prefer it..Under strict criteria I suppose. Although I don't believe going back 5-6 pages of our past dialogue would be all that much to ask. It's just odd to me..That people will so freely ask for information without even checking back posts to find maybe references etc.. You'd see 1 of 2 things in our chat log here..
1) None of us talk about when/how we go (if) any of us did go.
2) Email addresses- They're very much more personal and will give you a chance to better explain your purpose for said information.
Also, I remember last year when the weather was bad..Most of us turned to the forum to let out a bit of our frustrations about being stuck inside..I can remember a TON of really good posts that included a lot of information that we have collectively gathered from our time on-site. This is stuff you wont find in any books (yet!!) or on the internet (yet!!) ..we all have our favorite parts etc..and a lot of that interesting material is available in back posts.. Trust me..It's not that hard to skim through and find the juicy bits..I've done it quite a bit when referencing to back posts. I guess I will just zip it up and let it be..But I'm sure those "hey I need" posts will just rot here unanswered. 
PM- Any underground organization has by its very nature a certain amout of doubt over new peoples motives, as it must keep itself one step ahead of those who would wish to shut it down. that where the paranoia reference came in.
Or the game Paranoia. Great Fun!
Zoe- Ah yes, that Vhing Rhames debacle. Sorry, I am a Romero Zombie fan, and altho I will watch any Zombie flik once, I cant stand the fast zombies. Much prefer the shambling, relentless moaning dead. Just seems easier to suspend disbelief when they seem to be having locomotion/reaction problems due to decay. I know, I know, its all a silly fiction anyway, but we all have our guilty pleasures, and thats mine, sad to admit.
And for the record ..Poster "Brian" was a pretty cool dude. Just looking for some simple suggestions about the site..as I said..Demonstrating good tact is rule number 1..
I dislike how the -random passerby- refuses to read back posts..Why would you ask a group for information if you have no idea if they are credible or not? Or trustworthy? It just demonstrates the level of skill someone has.. Which believe it or not..is actually quite important. I explore solo..99.9% of the time..I like to know that I can safely go about my explore with no worries of someone else making a mistake. It's important to explore with people who aren't going to (Freeze Up) when things get a bit sketchy..Theirs rotted floors,falling debris,Security,Hobo's etc on a lot of these sites..Some people tend to get shaky in those situations. Security..Book it? hide? stay put and talk? ..How do I know what someone Else would do.. This is why I'm usually strictly solo..I know my limits, I know when to stay put..and know what's in my best interest..Rookies haven't had those experiences where they might be faced with unexpected..and in result they usually make the wrong move.
Most of this guys information is exactly as I said..Fantasy.. He take's basic information and adds chrome to it. Any half-decent publisher can Google links for Norwich State Hospital and skim an article, adding " quotes " around statements that aren't true. It's too obvious that this guy has no idea what he's talking about. It's offending to read his articles after doing extensive research on a particular subject.. He's delivering false information from "fake" "non-existent" sources.
Maybe I'm being a bit rough on the guy..But after seeing him Floating around on facebook using This profile on a group called "Norwich state hospital" Running his big nose all across the message boards. I'm sure he'd post here if he already didn't know that he'd get torn apart for the rubbish he publishes. Like I said..It's more of an issue of credibility.. Not to mention that he's raping internet forums for most of his useless babbling.."A broken window behind the laboratory" You'd only know that if you were trespassing there bub..Or just full of shit. I apologize..Not everything he writes is useless!! Need a good OPINION on your local bar and grill..or Planning a trip nearby and need to know about lodging or road closures.. HERE!!! his personal Profile for associated content will do the trick.. He seems to be thrown in on all the local holes in the wall, Bottom of the barrel reporting jobs.. Way to go Bud..Your my hero!
JPT- It's not really about Paranoia..It's just in good tact..If you represent yourself as someone who uses discretion and common sense, You'd get a lot farther in an Underground community..(so to speak) ..I'd give up info to someone who is respectful and realizes that UE's get hassled on a regular basis for they're hobby/job.. Sure..There are some obvious postings that scream PIG..but they are to obvious..I'm leaning more towards the explorers who have ethics..Rather than tell some Rookie how to get in and smash shit. They can do it on their own and hopefully are mistaken as a scrapper and are prosecuted. I can tell a good UE..they're not asking for information on how to get in.. Because honestly anyone who's ever UE'd can spot a POE in an instant..not to gloat..but I catch myself looking at POE's everywhere I go..I can spot roof access sitting at a drive-thru at Dunkin Donuts.. Most of the UE related Emails I get are from out of state explorers..simply looking for tips on the layout and suggestions where to shoot/what to bring..Which is a valid concern being that it's a good 7-8 hour explore/session per-day. (wouldn't want to lug to much around) ..Pigs often post stuff like "How do you get in this place?" or the best "I'm not new to this but I just wanted to know" ..They are quickly dismissed.
I don't know Flem..Do I think he's a narc? No.. Do I think he's a rookie who is looking for a handout.. Sure do..In that case.. I'd like to take this time to clarify the way to go about this. "do it yourself..learn the ropes..Dont be stupid..Dont take stuff..Dont break stuff..Do your research on ANY site's history and current events and you will learn all the information needed. Using GoogleNews you can check local papers to see if people have been caught on the property or have had problems with Guns/drugs/hobos/vandals etc.. That will give you a base to start with." ..that's the best advice I will ever give a rookie UE.. Act like it's life or death.. Or.. just don't explore.
sorry sparkles , you'll have to wade through all the posts you've missed like i did! s'worth it tho!
JPT the remake. i havent seen the original. i ADORE the opening credits and music. seriously good stuff.
as a londoner tho i have a special affinity for 28 Days Later (and 28 Weeks altho not as much). we all enjoy seeing this stuff on familiar terrirory i think. The arieal shots of london in 28 Weeks later are fantastic.
Thge main difference between 28 Days and Dawn of the Dead is that in DotD the zombies were global wherase in 28 Weeks later apparently it was only the UK that was affected by the virus (altho they werent zombies and i think i enjoyed that storylinje better as we can all imagine a mutated virus escaping and wiping out mankind..i can anyway but maube im just sick!
as a photo /jouno myself Corey Sipe should be shot for his abysmal journalism. I cant believe he can get taken seriously.
the patient in that article was only in NSH for drug addiction mainly as an outpatient. Hardly a coup.
Zoe- Dawn of the Dead- the original or the remake? Fast zombies or the classic shamblers?
PM- Eh? What you talkin' bout, "old age", sonny? Why, you young whippersnappers, I'll take my cane and.....
Sparkles- studying will do that to you.
StabMA v2.0- Unfortunately, I cant get a lot of the stuff posted here, at work, they are pretty tight on what they filter thru. And the home PC is having some issues with email, if I can get that straightened out, I'll be contacting several of you direct, as you allow it.
Flem, Brian, dont take these guys too hard- they are leery of anybody looking for POE, suspecting a set-up, or security looking for some POE they didnt know existed. Just cause you are paranoid doesnt mean someone isnt out to get you!
And still, thru all of this- Zombies DONT RUN, and Vampires DONT TWINKLE!!
Whats next, Kelly Osborne turning into a Were-Pomeranian? Yap at the moon!
Derr... That about sums it up.
Ya know; some really bad things happened to patients, from SOME staff and vice versa, but also some really good things...it's not black and white, like with most of these places-past and present. It's all very complex...
Now, if anyone wants to look into a really terrible place, but get a good picture of the really bad in these places-
Here, have this...
It's in sections, but it should have them all in the playlist. This expose' was what ended up getting the place shut down apparently.
Well the only thing I left out in that list is the occasional Pun in regards to JPT's old age..
Seriously.. We've had more off-topic discussion lately. Mostly about the Zombie apocalypse..or the Survival and creation of said Zombies.(quite interesting) ..We moved on from there to the First amendment and the fact that Belgium is not part of the United States.. Moving forward we made fun of each other for a chance to reconnect..and spoke about the current status of hospital grounds/security etc..New members posted requesting information etc on public forums rather than realizing in back posts Users here have posted Email for those topics so in regards we tore them to pieces and apologized etc.. This has gone on for the past month or so..and just now I ranted about Corey Sipe.. Which is where you put your face.. : )
Oh and ..Sparkles has traded in her shoes on Forbidden-Places.net ..for Petville ..a virtual kitty-kat I assume.
Little more detail plz. I've missed a lot!
Dickbag
Zombies are in fact real..and quite complicated individuals.
People want to explore Norwich.
Security is gay.
Norwich is at some point going to be demolished.
Pictures of abandonment's are cool.
Norwich's new security consists of Babies and Killer bee's..
Corey Sipe sucks.
You all write way too much when I'm gone. Since I have a migraine and have been feeling like shit lately does anyone want to sum up everything I've missed? Don't feel up to reading everything (that's a first!) lol
OMG I absolutely despise this guys work..I'm sure he checks up on here every once and a while too. He posts the most fantastic Sci-fi fictional B.S I have seen out of anyone else related to the publishing of any articles related to NSH.
He's really out there making a name for himself..With all the claims of Patients he talks to etc.. He doesn't know a thing..He's floating around Facebook with his stupid stories about Norwich..
Don't get me wrong..He's not Posing as a UE who's searching for the truth..nor Closure..He's just a douche. Plain and simple. The type of literature he actually PUBLISHES goes something like this.
It is said that "Human bodies are buried all over the campus and there is a million dollars stuffed in a sock drawer on campus" .. With his stupid " " ..always quoting some stupid shit he made up..or had a dream about. And people pay him for this crap. You know..Im usually a nice guy.. But I've gotten E-mails from the fool.. He's no smarter than my dogs..And that's giving him credit.
The plain and simple fact of Corey Sipe is that he's out to make friends.. He doesn't care about the money.. He's a lonely guy who like's to talk. It's really that simple..If people keep giving his articles 32140894812views because google hits the thread Norwich State Hospital.. He's gonna look as if he's some big shot who knows a thing or two.. Poppycock!! I wish his articles were written on toilet paper.. So that they can all inevitably end up where they are supposed to be..In the toilet with crap on them .. Thank you very much ZOE.. I appreciate you letting me rant about this waste of glasses.
i havent been here for a while and catching up on a few posts just read JPT's link from associated content by Corey Sipe. Who is this twat..?
this quote in particular had me chuckling..
'The patient (in NSH) often spent hours looking out the window at buildings on the campus which were erected between 1910 and 1920 wondering what barbaric experiments and trials gone wrong were performed there...'
likes his horror film melodrama a bit doesnt he?!!
p.s enjoying your work guys keep it up.
heh
they're playing Dawn of the Dead again on sky here in in Uk again tonight. seen it a million times already but gotta love it. Excellent film
This is true about making your own plans and sticking to them.. To some trusted individuals I will lend a helping hand..I.E out of state explorers etc..I know what it's like to get to a site and not know what I'm in for till I get all the way there..I can't turn everyone looking for the general "status" of the location away..I have been victim to a bust site before myself..After traveling there it's rather disappointing.
As for people like Flem who think they could just jump on a forum asking for information in a public forum..Meh.. Try reading back posts and you will see that people leave they're email address's etc for PM's for that kind of thing..Otherwise you will be chewed up and told about killer-bee's and such..You've got yourself a whole lot of nothing. Booo
Mah bad Brian! Don't take it hard-this is how it all begins for many... We get a little crazy when people just ask like that. The best thing you can do is make your own plan and be like Nike... stay aware, always look before you leap, so to speak. If you do it all on your own and make it in/out-believe me, it's a great feeling!
Duuude, dogs that shoot laser- guided killer bees out of there eyes! And those babies are no joke, you don't wanna feel the rath! They have explosive diapies stockpiled in bell! One must not forget the beeping lobotomy machines that drive men to insanity-hungry for new patients after all these years...
Norwich is guarded by killer-bee's now..You wouldn't even make it to the POE.
And even if you did..There's a ton of security babies inside. I would be careful if I were you..walking the tracks is
also very dangerous..There's rumor of rainbows in that area.. The best place to park your car..is in fact your driveway..
hey everyone ive had my eye one this place for a while. whats the best way to get in? i was thinking about parking somewhere at the right of the hospital and walking down to the tracks. any advice on a good place to park? is the commuter lot still a good place to park? i heard it wasnt.
Honestly..It would be a blast to be able to comfortably walk around and give the grand tour..A while back there was a guard that would let you do what you wanted..being that he was the only guard on for that shift. It's been hard to chat with security..Seems there's always new faces on the property all the time. The most valuable piece of information is finding out what they like to eat,drink,and read.. Bring them those items and you'll surely be given access for the day.. Just keeping the elderly in mind.
Just today I learned there's a section of Norwich I had never been..Muah? ..yep. ..My plans to relax this week may have just taken a U-turn for RT 2A.. Here's a quote you'll love via Norwich Bulletin “We will have to decide as a group what to do,” he said. “I personally think the security is completely ineffective anyway. One guy driving around looking for intruders? Come on.” here's the link to the Aug 6th article Aug 6th
Not really. Supposedly, they're contact wasnt working that night, so they just wandered around , but since they have absolutly NO experience with NSH, they didnt know what/where to go, and it was kind of a bust.
The most interesting thing is the concept of security allowing certain invidiuals to explore, at their discretion. I will try and get "in" on this, and see what it leads to. As I said before, I really am in no condition to be running from security or getting caught, but if its legal (ie. security approved), I'd love to take a trip thru the place.
JPT any news from your relative's trip? -listening-waiting-interested..
Security says the new alarms are a "nuisance" ..they seem to go off at all the time.
Now it's possible that UE's are involved ( ) ..or the alarms are possibly to sensitive for the area they're placed in. You can't forget that the sensor's are placed in a damp..cold area. It's going to have an effect on any electronic device. It's good news that they have gone off at random..Because they are now discredited more than effective. On another forum there was a group (8-10 people) that blogged about they're trip to NSH about a week ago..They had all went to Wal-mart and bought $10.00 fishing poles and decided to walk the tracks to the backside of the property..The group was later stopped..not by security..nor police.. But DEP and were all fined for fishing without a license and they're names were turned over to police for being/"fishing" on private property.. I lol'd when I had read the post..that was a combined cost to the group of 100.00 for the fishing gear..then 70.00 each for the DEP fines and if the trespassing was included an additional 95.00 each.. That's epic..I love rookie UE's.
i am not the "brian" from security lol.
"publish me" i will shoot you an email soon, thanks!
im hoping i can get out and shoot there in the next couple weeks!
I can't keep up with the names of security anymore..There was a guy Martin or Mat?..He was cool He'll give you a ride to your car.. If you don't feel like carrying your tri-pod.. : )
I'll send that info when a get a couple minutes, I'm at work.
Oh, and if you are Brian, I'm not hatin- you're a good guy.
Oh hai, Can someone gimme a piggyback tour around nsh? Haha!
Hey, are you Brian from security?
Norwich is planning to demo the site.. It won't be for a while. My email address is in below posts..
ive been reading about this place for some time now and have been planning to photograph it for months. are they knocking this place down? if so does anyone know when and can give me detailed directions on where to park and how to get in? thx! ;]
Supposedly, Friday Night, a security person at NSH took my neice and her boyfriend for a tour of the hospital. They needed to supply resperators. Havent spoken to her, to find out whats what, more to come....
Escape's at Norwich were probably the most frequent occasion at the site. Google news has article after article of patients escaping from the site..just as it is now, There is no fence or barrier to keep patients in. Some patients were given grounds passes, granting them access to most of the site unsupervised..there's at least over 100 articles of patient escapes..One includes an individual who went AWOL and took a bus to New Haven county (wallingford I believe) bought a knife..murdered a 16 year old girl..and then took a bus back to the Norwich State Hospital site.. Prettty twisted.
It's odd they'd say that there were no signs of foul play etc..The odds of two people dieing at the same time in the same car..of natural causes would be quite rare! Like I said..Im going to look into it, just out of curiosity to see what might have caused these two people to simultaneously die in a car off 2A..
Publish me- police said there were no signs of foul play at the scene, and nothing drug related so that was the main reason I was waiting for the autopsy results, unless they popped some crazy pills just out of their pocket.
I heard someting a little while ago, it could be a myth that there were two patients at nsh who were brother and sister and they would always try to escape, they were nearly professionals at it or someting, and this was towards the end of the hospitals life, I'd say the 80's. So maybe the two people in the car was them. I don't know just a crazy thought linking two things together.
It's also quite possible that it was drug related..Maybe They had just picked up some drugs and both shot up on the side of the road..It could have been something stronger than they'd expected and PRESTO!! two dead bodies in a car..
I have to go to the library tomorrow anyways..I should be able to find some kind of update on that article..If it was printed..It's there.
My email Is Awardedpub@gmail.com ..Speaking of E-mail.. I have been receiving emails from a lot of people who browse this forum for information..(which is 100% fine) ..but why don't they post here!! ..are we really that hard to get along with?
I do enjoy lending a helping (suggestive) hand with information regarding the sites history (etc)..I have done a lot of
research and hard-work at the Norwich site..In the end..It pays off.
Another crazy thing-I can't find the updated article that had the names, WTF?
Pm- it's 2A...if you're coming from over the bridge; take a left towards the hospital-then take the next right (directly across from kettle- you'll see the path on the right. There's still "state props no tresspassing" signs up. It's right before a little cove, it was/is technically nsh property. What's your email, I'll send you some details on that.
Joey-idk, I guess that's possible...I'm leaning towards something like this
though; middle aged bro and sis, maybe going through some rough times, figure they'd take whatever money they had and hail Mary it at the casino. If they lose...well game over. I'm pretty sure they were from, like stafford springs... or somewhere a bit out of the way, so that's partly why I came up with that theory... but it works for yours too.
Yeah thats what I was talking about, I have looked for a while to try to find some decent information on this but I can't. Maybe the brother and the sister were patients at the hospital, plus if they were by the incinerator wouldnt theyt have to know it was there, and how to get there, etc.
As strange as it seems..And still interesting..The video shows them down much farther from the Norwich State Hospital site..At least to my eye it seems that way.. I've traveled RT2 pretty often..and would say that's much farther up the road from the Thames Bridge..
The deaths are the interesting part..Maybe I can dig around at the library for any type of death notice. There's got to be some kind of information regarding two random middle aged people's bodies being found in a car. My assumption was that we were talking (on-site) in the main complex..THAT would make this much more interesting.
Yep it was very odd, also that nothing was ever said on what happened. There was an article update, on the original, saying autopsy scheduled for....and they'd have more info coming. I checked for a week or two after that and never found out. I do remember that they were 40-50ish-and siblings. The names were in that update, I'll see if I can dig that up.
I will have to dig around and see if I can find the article on the brother and sister.. Maybe I can get the names and find out what hapend..It's rather odd that two people would be found dead in a car...for any reason. Dont you think? ..
Yeah, there was a brother and sister found dead in their car by the incinerator, just a couple months back. I never heard what happened exactly-but yeah that was in the news and linked on here.
Hey jpt, sparkles, pm, ken, archie and everyone else.
No, Never read any articles about anyone being found dead at the site..
There was also another one rumored a while back here..About "A man who wanted to explore NSH all his life..but died tragically in the theater" ..someone supposedly stole the memorial for said individual..I researched it..but found nothing along those lines at all.
I've heard of stolen cars being found on site..from another member here. But never bodies.
I remember reading a little while back about a brother and a sister who were found dead in their car on the nsh site, has anyone else heard anything about that, it kinda seems swept under the rug to me.
The pics on Opacity are alright The pictures of the pin-setting patients are actually quite cool..But the overall abandonment photo's are pretty weak..
The first link "personal account" was interesting..Given the time frame..And like they said in the article patients did take part in a lot of activities on site. You can still see the remnants of the Holiday parties and gift drives stuffed in the tunnels. Norwich is really difficult to talk about..Because it's really a "wash" as some would say.. Does the good outweigh the bad? ..Maybe- Maybe not.. There's actually quite a bit of dispute throughout the internet about the overall "treatment" of patients..Now, When I hear treatment..I'm assuming medicine etc..Apparently that's not the case.. It's all about the physical abuse etc..And this has already been argued over hundreds of times..My belief is that IF there was to be any physical harm done to patients it was either Self-defense.. OR (this will get them going) A pissed off aid..
Nurses were recruited to the site..To "learn" the trade. There were no real qualifications at that time..(I wish I had the article)..At any rate..This is opinion of course..(Hypothetically) You have a nurse who's working a double shift..irritated and exhausted from the long day at work.. A patient who is being a bit to much for her wont co-operate..The nurse uses physical force on said individual in order to get the patient to comply. (sounds probable?)
As far as the second link.. Meh. That Corey Sipe doesn't know when to quit.. I can't discredit any of the information he has given.. Even though he's been seen talking with "patients" who look nothing less than "Sloth" from the Goonies.. "baby ooth" ..I've read the articles..I just disagree with some of the statements he posts in the articles..He's always quoting people..this way no-one can tell him he's full of shit.. The best way I have found to discredit a man such as Corey Sipe..Is to investigate the exact story he is publishing..disprove the article on paper..Wipe you a** and mail it to him With 6 stamps on the envelope.