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MAny people have written about how racist Gary, In is toward white people and how racists Gary is toward black people. I think the racism is there out of fear. I am moving to Black Oak in Gary very soon. The only thing I keep hearing is how there are so many rednecks and because I am black, to be careful. This is from white people I know. I hear how the more urban area of Gary is filled with gangbangers and how everyone has a guns.

I am in an interracial marriage and I have 2 kids. Honestly I do not fear for their safety in Black Oak. I know that years ago there was a fire set and it was stated as being a racially fueled fire direceted at a black family. I think it was one idiot who was afraid of change. People need to wake up and see that Gary as a whole is falling down and is about to be either erased or totally reconstructed and all the racist idiots, all the gangbangers, all the sagging pants rapper wannabees and all the LAZY PEOPLE OF GARY are going to be evicted-BLACK, WHITE AND ALL IN BETWEEN. I don't plan to live in Gary forever by no means. I need to live there, so I will until I no longer need to live in Gary.

AM I leary of racism and violence? of course, I have two little girls. I worry about ignorance and violence affecting their lives and I do ALL I CAN to shield them from it. Hell I have ignorance in my family and my wife's family and I make it clear I don't want it near my kids. If the leaders get their communities in Gary to want to better their lives through education and building new opportunities, Gary will and can once again flourish. AND THEN ALL RACES CAN BENEFIT FROM THAT HIGH LEVEL OF LOVE AND POSITIVE EMPOWERMENT.

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Je tiens à remercier les propriaitaires du chateau qui, suite à ma visite du 16 08 2008 m'ont laissé visiter le parc où j'ai grandi avec ma soeur.
J'ai voulu montrer à ma famille où j' avais passé ma jeunesse dans ce site magique,là ou je faisais des cabanes, des partis de pêche et des histoires de gosse.
Mes parents ont travaillés sur le site de 1972 à 1979, ils ont fait de leur mieux pour entretenir ce lieu et j'avoue que mon coeur se serre quand je voie l'état où j'ai touvé le parc et le chateau,malgré les éfforts des nouveaux occupant.
Je suis aussi trés triste du vandalisme que le chateau subit,quel dommage,les vitraux était magnifique.
J'adresse tous mes voeux aux nouveaux propriaitaires pour qu'ils puissent faire revivre ce BIJOU, Il en vaut la peine.

2001 Graduate, you admit that there is "contempt" for whites in Gary. I'd say it's contempt for all the whites in cities around Gary too. And I agree there a high level something, "black rage" and "dysfuction", as you call it, whatever it is, in the present Gary citizen. Why after 40 years is everything that is wrong with Gary whitey's fault? I don't know a single white person in the surrounding communites that would habor any ill-will or negative attitude towards Gary if it wasn't out of fear of this "contempt." We're not doing anything to them or oppressing them, we'd just as soon let them be, but we feel that contempt, we feel like at our doorstep there is a whole city of angry young men that hate us, trust me, it's very disconcerting. You can see contempt in thier eyes when you pass them in a store. Why should we put up with that? Tell me how your people, as you yourself said, in Gary are still held back, opressed, "denied...the tools to survive"? I don't think you are. You practically have a whole city to yourselves and can't make it work. Blacks run Gary. Tell me how whitey is still causing the problems in Gary?? In 40 years running the city what you haven't been able to "overcome" is yourselves. You're not denied anything now. If fact in the PC world you're hardly held accountable for anything. You've made just being black a built in ATM and excuse for any type of behavior. I shot three people, but it wasn't because I wanted to rob them it's because I suffer from "black rage" due to whitey's oppression. I was fired because I was black, not because when I did ever show up I stole stuff, pay me a discrimination settlement. I got thrown out of the theater in Hobart for talking too loud and threatening someone, I'm going to say I was thrown out because I'm black, pay me a settlement. I'm black in Gary, Indiana and my whole family has always been black in Gary, Indiana, give me a check. Yes, because of this "contempt" for whites, most of Gary have become absolute masters at playing the "race card" and feel entitled. And another thing you say it that Gary suffers the scars of "white flight", so are you admitting that without white people the city went to sh*t and black people never had a chance of maintaining what was left to them or improving or even stablizing it in 40 years? I think your selling your own race short. With both of those opinions, one that being black is an excuse, and two that the city never had a fighting chance and doesn't have a chance because of "white flight", i.e. without white people. I have to agree with Richard and some of what Mr. Quiet had to say. These problems of crime, poverty, and welfare exist in all colors and races, Gary happens to be majority black, that's not racist it's the facts. However it got the way it is, is history that can't be changed. What is true now is that Gary is a black city who's residents need to step up and save it for themselves. It's just that being black isn't an excuse for it or any reason for blacks or whites to throw up their hands and say "well, they're black, there's nothing we can do or expect them to do, to save the city".

Dear 2001 Graduate, I find what you've written well written but I have to admit that I have no idea what you're talking about. I went back and read everything I've written and nowhere, ever, do I use the words ""black rage" or "dysfunction." Nowhere do I even refer to or suggest that I'm referring to black people. Odd how you automatically assumed that the criminals I detailed in my writings were black. Your people as you refer to them may very well be saying "don't speak for me, because who said he was talking about us." But you surely were. As for the rest of what you've written, you are 100% correct. I am probably a few years older than your father and I too was not welcomed into the very neighborhoods that I would now not be caught dead in. Having said all of this, what difference does it make? All we're doing is going around in circles and ending up in back here with things the way they are. The whole conversation started with the question of what can we do to save the city, to bring it back. All of your father's experiences and mine combined add up to nothing. It is what it is and regardless of who is getting the handouts, handouts make people dependent. I'm not talking unemployment benefits that you pay into and one day need. I'm talking about generation afte generation of the same families lining up to get their check. I don't care who is using affirmative action more often, or who is getting the big chunk of welfare, all I know is, who ever it is, will never be more than they are now. And these people regardless of color, race, religion, etc are the problems in every senerio. Find a city in decay and you'll find these people. Find a city not safe to walk the streets in and you'll find these people.

You are right on another point as well; once again the specter of racism raised it's ugly head. And you raised it. Shame on you. I think you owe all black people everywhere an apology.

Once again, the specter of racism rears it's ugly head again. Richard, I'm not going to doubt the stories that you told about your experience in Gary, but I will shed light on the situation there. My parents grew up in Gary, back when most of the Blacks had to live in the ghetto on "the border". There was intense racism in the 50's and 60s, as my father was not even allowed to come into the neighborhood that I live in now. So, this idea that this "black rage" or "dysfunction" just comes from the present Gary citizens own accord is false.

The intense racism, poverty, and discrimination that existed in Gary bred a certain level of contempt for the Whites there. That's how why Hatcher was elected in the first place. You can't expect people to be consistently discriminated against, and just sing "We Shall Overcome" forever. If the Blacks of Gary weren't forced going back to the Great Migration to live in poor conditions, on "The Border", be harassed by police, and all the strife that went along with being Black in America, maybe there wouldn't have been such a terrible transition.

Your position seems to be that one day 40 years ago, all the Black people in Gary decided to be lazy, violent, 40 oz drinking criminals and take advantage of the poor, innocent, naive White people. That's just not true. There was a consistent oppression through segregation that existed and denied Blacks the tools to survive. It's unfortunate that some Whites who may have had good intentions were victimized, but overall the societal hierarcy in Gary, just like America was not innocent at all. And if you were to ask most Black people what it was like to grow up in Gary during that time they'll tell you how Black kids would be assaulted if they rode their bikes in the wrong neighborhood. And how the harassment from the police was oppressive. They couldn't just get up and move away though, because, one, they were too poor most of the time, and also, that was what all America was like.

It's unfortunate, but Gary, like most other urban centers in America bear the scars of segregation and "White Flight", urban decay, the racism of the home loan industry, racism in the school system, racism of the police & fire departments, and "gentrification".

And this terrible obsession with "handouts" that most White people seem to have is very, very puzzling, when most of the people using Affirmative Action and Welfare are White. When "legacy" students outnumber minority Affirmative Action students at universities. Whos really getting the "handouts" in this society? Not my people.

What are handouts?

Hello! As a HS Junior, my son and parter in GSPR ( see website addy above ) is doing a survey of US Penal System policies and practices as exhibited in the architecture of the prisons built during that period. He will be using Eastern State Penn. in Philly ( Prison Ruin fans should RUN to see this, as it is preserved and open as a living ruin), Burlington Cnty Prison in Mt. Holly, NJ, also a museum, and we went to check out Essex Cnty. prison today to see what state it is in and if we could find out any info on it's future, possible access, etc.

The Main building above still stands. Immediately out of the frame to the right there is a large hole in the chain link fence and it is obvious that shelters are built within the wall, but we didn't venture in, although curiously there are no postings for no trespassing, etc. Probably would invite trouble to bring attention to the site. As it is the site looks quite a bit different, as there is extensive overgrowth, and the building to the left of the one on the picture has the roof burned out. There is a huge construction project just to the east on the adjecent lots on New St. where there's a huge apt/condo complex, parking garage, etc. going up. It is great for the neighborhood, but I wish they would preserve this site instead of waiting for the first tradegy and using that as the excuse to fund the demolition.

I do have a GREAT link to share: There's an urban explorer who put an entire set of interior shots on flickr:
flickr.com

Thanks! for that.

John B
Garden State Paranormal Research. (GSPR)

I am originally from a very small rural town outside of Terre Haute and recently moved to Hobart after 6 years in California. Even growing up in a small farm town in the 80's I heard the horror stories about Gary, all, of course, involving race. There were fears then that Terre Haute was heading in the same direction. It was scary and Gary, a city nearly 4 hours from us, contributed to many of us growing up with slanted racist views. So, I mention my time in CA because I was a white country boy with slanted views and I went off to spend 6 years in the service, which was extremely racially and enthically diverse and almost everyone was away from home, in a geogrphical area that was very different than where they where raised. And I left that experience a changed person with great close friends of many races, nationalities, and ethicities. But can I say that I'm now completely unbiased? No. Because my friends and I shared a bond of being in the service and being away from home and became close enough to share our views even on race issues and you come to learn that it's often not a skin color or ancestry that you are biased against, it's a lifestyle, an attitude, value system that you're biased against and we each shared that opinion of people in each race including our own. I hate "white trash" as much as my black friends hated "n**gers" and my Latino friends hated "wet backs." There are people who refuse to take responsability for themselves, refuse to better themselves, refuse to live by the rules of civilized society, and be kind to others. There are those who live as parasites, feed on intimidating others, live like bullies playing the victims, where everything is some else's fault. There are those who take what they want, who live like violence, crime, and ill-gotten money are the only ways to get by. They live in micro world where only the pleasures of each day matter, only they matter, and nothing outside of their small sphere of life has any authority. There are those that, even in a desegregated world, chose to stay together where they can get away with living that way. Taking that in to consideration, I have to leave it you're hands to determine if you believe it's racist or just truth to say, that's the majority of Gary and it happens to be black. You have to realize that these "racist" views that some locals hold are based simply on fact of what has happened to the city and what goes on there. If had been all Irish immigrants that moved in and let the city go down the toilet an had the surrounding communities living in fear, there would probably be the same bias and "racism" towards them. A family of whites looks around in Gary and, even in a public place like a store, feels very intimidated to be the only whites there and senses that those surrounding take special delight in causing that fear. So, would you want to live like that? Whatever race you are, would you want to live in an enviroment of fear and intimidation? No. You move from it, and you avoid going in to it. That's simple. And it only widens this terrible percetion of Gary when ever Gary residents go to a "white" community and act violent or foolish and then call everyone racist. It's not racism, it's no one wants to put up with that behavior no matter what color you are! There are other facts that you just must accept, the timeline for the decline of Gary does match up with the growth of black population. "White flight" was real. It's a fact that residents of many white majority communities around Gary are scared of Gary and its residents. Yes, Gary has a wonderful history, but it's just that...history. It's gone. It has wonderful architecture, but so did many ancient civilizations. Things pass, things can't be saved. Buildings crumble. Can Gary be saved? Yes, but not in the way many of you think. Those of you who grew up there can't have the old Gary back. It can never be the Gary of the past, it won't have many of its old buidlings or signs of its history. People who grew up in or near "white" Gary have to let that go. It will never change from being a "black community." But it can be a successful and thriving black community. A clean and safe black community. That's the best Gary can hope for. It's what they should hope for and can take pride in. Is that possible? That's for no one but the residents of Gary to decide. It's a "you made your bed, now lay in" kind of situation. The city is a reflection of it's residents. It's time you clean house in Gary. You, you residents of Gary, are the city. Don't blame anyone else. Don't expect handouts. Fix it. Top of the list should be the city government. If your city government wasn't so corrupt, the money the city is getting would go to the right programs and not Rudy and his cronies pockets. It's time for young people with some dreams and ambition to rise and older folks who are tired of what's going on to support positive change. Elect leaders you aren't tied to each other's purse strings and giving public money and contracts to each others businesses. All of you that are upset by it. Stand up! If you're a citizen, vote differently and demand better of your civic leaders. If you're in public office, don't roll over for the cronies, stand up for yourself and the people of Gary. If you have inside info, tell the papers, tell the local FBI, get things exposed and get them changed for the better. Hire cops who do their job not just collect a pay check. Tired of the violence? Tired of practically genocide level of homicides? Nothing can change that but, the people who are doing it and the nieghborhoods that let it happen. Clean up this perception of the Gary resident sitting on his porch with a 40 oz malt beverage at 10am waiting for some one to walk by he can rob, sell drugs to, or shoot. Those who drive down Broadway and feel sad and scared and rush to get back on the highway, they don't feel sad for the residents they feel sad for a Gary of the past that is gone. They don't feel sorry for you. Who are they scared of? Scared of empty buidlings? No, scared of the residents. The residents have control of what happens to Gary...yes, the black majority Gary residents...take responsability for yourselves.

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